Uncharted 2: Among Thieves

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SPInGSPOnG
Joined 24 Jan 2004
1149 comments
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:01
inverted3reality wrote:
Wow.. what an unprofessional review. You do not have the journalistic integrety to be allowed to review games.

Wow... what a lame comment. You do not have the wit or intelligence to be allowed to comment on Internet forums.

A quick Google reveals that this reviewer once edited a best-selling video games magazine and has produced several video games. And you, who I am guessing typed your pathetic whinge with one hand, while sat in your mother's basement wearing four day old underpants and eating cold pizza, are calling him "unprofessional"! Why exactly? Because he did not agree with you. That's mature.

Do you even know what "professional" actually means?

Oh, and it's spelled "integrity" by the way.
config
Joined 3 Sep 1999
2088 comments
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:24
I spot a pattern (2 for 2, at least);

Uncharted + Dyson = fanboy flame frenzy

Hilariously, this review is almost entirely positive (about 96% I reckon), yet all the fanboys can see is the bit about the stupidity of giving a game a perfect score.

Fanboys! Read my tips (of fingers, that it) - NO GAME IS PERFECT

At the very least the graphics need a little more attention - especially in the darkened areas where visuals lack depth. But that's just the graphics whore in me saying "dock 1% in the eye candy dept"
miacid
Joined 18 Jan 2004
262 comments
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:29
wontbecomingback wrote:
On top of that, you gave way to many story details in the review without warning. I skipped over most of the review because of that.


Considering you won't be coming back, you probably won't ever read this, however I'd be interested to know what story details you think the review gave away?!

The below points are the ones I could pick out:
You get to shoot people
Erm, there are NPC's that help you out and might not be all they seem
Oh, you get to fight a tank at some point
You get to go on a nice train ride

wontbecomingback wrote:
Just glad to see the game got a good score.


Also, why are you glad it got a good score? Are you part of the development team or linked to them in some way?! Surely seeing the game get a fair and balanced review would be better, no? Unless of course you're a rampant fan boy who just wants to spout off review scores at every chance he gets!


TimSpong
Joined 6 Nov 2006
1783 comments
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:47
ROFL! wrote:
This site is a complete JOKE!
Love how he calls puppet publications to all major sites...
And btw i love your Halo 3 ODST propaganda all over the place...
THE ONLY PUPPET I SEE IS SPONG!


Sigh... it's called advertising. Did you read our ODST review? It's over here.

Tim
Rutabaga
Joined 22 Sep 2006
271 comments
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:10
I think the problem stems from the nonsensical last sentence of the review accusing publications of being puppets for giving the game the same score as you have. Would that make you a puppet publication?
DoctorDee
Joined 3 Sep 1999
2130 comments
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:21
@Rutabaga But that's very specifically what I did NOT do. The last line says

the slightly intellectually lightweight nature of the puzzling stop it getting the perfect scores Sony's puppet publications are giving it.

A perfect score is 100%, or 10/10 or (god help us) 21/20.

We gave it 96%. There is no mistaking the fact that this is a very special game. One of the most enjoyable that I have ever played. But that just makes the length (or lack thereof) more frustrating. The puzzling is rudimentary at best... when I think back to the hours I put into the puzzles in the original Tomb Raider, that disappoints me. I think the game is slightly too dumbed down. If it were longer, and had more puzzles, it might be worth 98%. But while NPCs get in the way, the graphics don;t come up to Gareth's high standards and there are some character intersection glitches, it can never score 100%.

Dreadknux
Joined 14 Jul 2004
700 comments
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:46
Rutabaga wrote:
I think the problem stems from the nonsensical last sentence of the review accusing publications of being puppets for giving the game the same score as you have. Would that make you a puppet publication?

There's no difference, if you only read reviews by their scores. But of course, I'd personally like to think that the average gamer would take the time to read reviews instead of hang on the number at the end all of the time (and in this case, the very last sentence - there's about four pages worth of opinion in there, it's worth a read, I recommend it).

The difference would be beyond the review score. Where a few other reviews I have read have only had good things to say about the game, that makes their super-high score rather difficult to swallow. Too good to be true. Their 10/10's, 100%'s whatever - doesn't mean anything because there's no such thing as a perfectly perfect game, even for the "buy this if you love this type of game" crowd. No bad word is mentioned, no real experience of the game is passed onto the reader... alarm bells ring in my head.

I'd say those kind of reviews are somewhat more questionable than a review on SPOnG that objectively outlines good and irritating points, comes from someone who sounds like they actually played the game instead of read a press release, and still gives it 96%. You know, I feel like it actually gives that 96% some value.

And it would be the same if SPOnG (or anyone else) gave the game (or any other game) 96%, 98%, or whatever - the actual content of the review is what's important, and that might be why such things are mentioned here.

Having read some shocking reviews in even printed mags most recently, I can't really say I blame Marcus for mentioning it.
Rutabaga
Joined 22 Sep 2006
271 comments
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:19
DoctorDee wrote:
A perfect score is 100%, or 10/10 or (god help us) 21/20...
We gave it 96%.....it can never score 100%.


I would say 96% is a 10/10. That's the problem I had with your last sentence, and I think a lot of others had. You could of said. "It's not the perfect game other publications would have you believe" and I think everyone would of been happy with that. But to accuse others of being a puppet of Sony for awarding, at the most 4% more than you have, sounds ridiculous.
SPInGSPOnG
Joined 24 Jan 2004
1149 comments
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:31
Rutabaga wrote:
But to accuse others of being a puppet of Sony for awarding, at the most 4% more than you have, sounds ridiculous.

Perfect is not scalable. Something is either perfect or it is not.

Ergo, logically his statement is perfectly ;-) acceptable.
Most people, you apparently included Rutabaga, have difficulty with this concept. I hear people say "more perfect" and "less perfect" all the time, there people clearly have no idea what perfect means.

But where perfection is concerned, 4% is a HUGE margin. a score of 99.99999999999% renders something infinitely less perfect than 100%.
Rutabaga
Joined 22 Sep 2006
271 comments
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:55
Rod Todd wrote:
Rutabaga wrote:
But to accuse others of being a puppet of Sony for awarding, at the most 4% more than you have, sounds ridiculous.

Perfect is not scalable. Something is either perfect or it is not.

Ergo, logically his statement is perfectly ;-) acceptable.
Most people, you apparently included Rutabaga, have difficulty with this concept. I hear people say "more perfect" and "less perfect" all the time, there people clearly have no idea what perfect means.

But where perfection is concerned, 4% is a HUGE margin. a score of 99.99999999999% renders something infinitely less perfect than 100%.


What are you going on about? My issue is as I keep repeating myself the fact that the reviewer saw fit to accuse publications of being puppets for awarding at most 4% more than he did. The statement would of only made sense if it had got a 70% or 80%.

Reviews (because people seem to like them) have a scoring system, be it out of 5, 10 or 100%. If a game gets 5/5 or 10 out of 10 why would it have to be perfect? The problem stems from % scoring in that if your saying nothing can be 100%, then what are you marking out of; 99? It's a flawed system.

The bit in bold indicates your lack of perfection.
miacid
Joined 18 Jan 2004
262 comments
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:25
How about we ignore the 96% score and pretend it's not there!

Now going back to the review, the point as I see it, is that Marcus is saying it's a great game

"Marcus" wrote:
Uncharted 2 one of the greatest games I've played


but it has got a few little bugs and could have been better.

"Marcus" wrote:
The (occasionally fatal) obstruction by your computer controlled companion, and the slightly intellectually lightweight nature of the puzzling stop it getting the perfect scores


Whereas the official magazines are just saying good things about it without pointing out any of it's flaws , which isn't giving us the game buying public a fair overview of what to expect.
TimSpong
Joined 6 Nov 2006
1783 comments
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:40
miacid wrote:
How about we ignore the 96% score and pretend it's not there!


Frankly, I'd love to drop review scores entirely and I have done for some time. I'd prefer to go with:

1) Buy it new.

2) Buy it pre-owned/budget.

3) Don't buy it for yourself.

4) Buy it for a friend.

5) Smack the friend who bought it for you.

Cheers

Tim
SPInGSPOnG
Joined 24 Jan 2004
1149 comments
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:22
Rutabaga wrote:
The bit in bold indicates your lack of perfection.

Is it that you REALLY do not get it, or are you being purposefully obtuse? The "bit in bold" is misquoted. What I said was it would render it infinitely less perfect. As in: not perfect at all.
Rutabaga
Joined 22 Sep 2006
271 comments
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:42
Rod Todd wrote:
Rutabaga wrote:
The bit in bold indicates your lack of perfection.

Is it that you REALLY do not get it, or are you being purposefully obtuse? The "bit in bold" is misquoted. What I said was it would render it infinitely less perfect. As in: not perfect at all.


I'll admit you've lost me as you appear to of gone off at a tangent concerning yourself with the dictionary definition of perfect for some reason. Percentage scores are always flawed by this definition if your not allowed to score up to 100%. I've always thought out of 5 or 10 is the best system.

Back on topic: 96% is a brilliant score for a game, calling publications puppets for scoring a few percent more is crazy.
king skins
Joined 10 Mar 2005
563 comments
Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:27
Tim Smith wrote:
miacid wrote:
How about we ignore the 96% score and pretend it's not there!


Frankly, I'd love to drop review scores entirely and I have done for some time. I'd prefer to go with:

1) Buy it new.
2) Buy it pre-owned/budget.
3) Don't buy it for yourself.
4) Buy it for a friend.
5) Smack the friend who bought it for you.

Cheers

Tim


I agree, but not with the 1-5 thing. Just have the review on its own with a summary at the end.

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